This video is unavailable. But the biggest advantage is raw power. Mechon, machine, machine god; whatever the Artifices are, I see no reason why Shulk couldn't cut them down. If Alvis is indeed Ontos, then him and Pneuma are essentially equals by design, and it all comes down to Rex and Shulk's individual skills. Damn, u rightI can't believe I overlooked such simple math. That being said it's been a while since I've played either game and if anyone wants to offer up counterarguments I'm open to them. There's a lot more stuff but i'm throwing it all in the conclusion for the sake of time: Shulk's advantages are stronger durabilty with Monado Shield, the ability to potentially temporarily sever Rex's Affinity with his Blades with Monado Purge and greater range with Monado Buster (though i'm pretty sure the finishing blow at the end of the Aion fight was Rex and Pneuma's own version of Monado Buster).
It's only a short-lived transformation in-game. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. That's with having perpetual augmentation. Both sides have them and i'd say they are equal in this category. Rex, through Mythra, can see the future but only the immediate future. In a pure 1v1 I don't really see a definite winner tbh. Rex has more fighting experience at the beginning of XC2 than Shulk does at the beginning of XC1, but I'd argue that Shulk grows more over the course of his game.
On top of being more powerful, Shulk's clairvoyance is also more reliable and passive; whereas Rex needs to focus on using Foresight, and can therefore be blindsided, Shulk's visions require no input from him and can therefore warn him of danger he himself doesn't realize, in addition to activating on a fairly regular basis, both in and out of gameplay.
From the point of view of who would win in a fight, that is. Because the three trinity cores are roughly equal, and Rex has a few extra powerful blades on his side, like Catalyst, Kos-Mos, etc. Watch Queue Queue. This category clearly goes to Rex, as he can keep up with "light speed" Jin with the help of Foresight. If that's not enough, superhuman characters (Drivers augmented by Blade energy as stated by Takahashi in an interview) weren't able to get back up again for quite a while after being assaulted by Jin.
Let's talk weapon versatility. The difference comes in their wielders. Monado Shield is likely more durable so in terms of shield durability, Shulk wins in that regard. I don't think you're putting nearly enough importance on that factor. So, while Rex holds an overwhelming speed advantage, the combination of more options, the ability to seal away Foresight, far better clairvoyant abilities, and an overwhelming power advantage gives Shulk the win.
Again, XC2 implies that Alvis, and thus the Monado, is an Aegis. We know this because Malos pilots it in the final battle, and before you argue that's because he was hijacking it, Mythra also has to pilot it for the self destruct; she can't control it remotely. It’s heavily implied via the connection between XC1 and 2 that Pneuma’s weapon and Shulks’s weapon are the same. Especially considering what Monado actually is and Shulk’s possible driver relation to it. And even if Rex had access to Ophion and Aion, he would have to choose, since it's debatable whether Mythra can control Ophion while piloting Aion, and even if she could, that means Rex is fighting without his Blade. On top of being more powerful, Shulk's clairvoyance is also more reliable and passive; whereas Rex needs to focus on using Foresight, and can therefore be blindsided, Shulk's visions require no input from him and can therefore warn him of danger he himself doesn't realize, in addition to activating on a fairly regular basis, both in and out of gameplay. Of ALL the things to call bullshit on, the one and only thing you choose is lightspeed when the clear visual implication is that he is moving at that speed? Even if we take into account other blades that Rex could bond with, none of them are as powerful in terms of lore as the Aegis, so they would give him adaptability but at the cost of power. Rex wins lol. Now, if we're talking exclusively gameplay-wise, it just becomes "Cross solos the Xeno metaverse".
Rex can easily speedblitz him before he has a chance to even blink. Pneuma's weapon cut through Aion's futuristic build, which was powered by an Aegis (shown by Alvis to have priority over those gods, by the way). Let's start with speed. So in the end, while I didn't consider Siren in the initial rundown, I don't think Rex can use multiple artifices at the same time, since piloting Aion would prevent Mythra from fighting with Rex, and controlling Ophion might prevent her from being able to also control Siren WHILE fighting alongside Rex; too much to focus on. I think Shulk's strength and usage of god-hood is clearly his own when Rex himself relies on Pneuma to grant him the same power.
Meanwhile, Shulk has all of the Monado Arts available to him, including a speed/evasion boost (which is all but necessary against Rex in all honesty), a shield against physical attacks, protection against elemental attacks, the aforementioned aura seal, a blast of ether that can either knock down or send Rex flying (depending on how it would work), and a blast that removes buffs.
It might be a stretch, but Monado Purge has sealed off mind reading abilities in the past and in XC2, it inflicts Shackle Driver, which would reasonably prevent Rex from using Foresight since it's an ability native to Mythra, not him. Even if the Monado could break those two weapons, again, it wouldn't matter since they can regenerate. I'll be providing my own points while also countering some of yours, if you don't mind.
Rex wins here, because he actually masters his end-game weapon. Yes, it's the True Monado, and Shulk killed a God with it, but if the implications that XC2 put in are true, the True Monado is more powerful than it is shown to be and yet, Shulk never discovers that power.
By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Also, no, it's not just a "general power increase". Also, it's worth noting that the barriers that Blades form to protect their Drivers are eerily similar to the barrier created by Monado Shield, the main difference is that it only covers the front. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Not to say that Shulk isn't crazy strong in his own right, but when you're faced with the kind of ability that endgame Rex brings to the table, it's sheer insanity to try and keep up. There is quite a lot of stuff left out here that swings this wildly in Rex's favor. Even with visions, Jin himself stated and demonstrated that even if you had precog, it doesn't mean a thing against someone that fast if you cannot physically keep up with them.
The Monado can just do so much for him that even Rex's bond with his blade couldn't do much against. With three giant mech things, Shulk by himself wouldn't stand much of a chance unless he has a vision for every single attack. What this means for the ends of the games I think is hard to say, but personally I'd lean toward 50/50.
Yes, I doubt Jin can actually move at light speed, but even if he were moving at a fraction of light speed, and even considering that Rex is far slower than that, it would still put Rex far above any speed we've seen Shulk move at, Monado Speed or not. Honestly the whole Pneuma = Alvis = Malos thing is the primary reason Rex would probably win. As the Monado 1, it could cut through almost any metal; as the Monado 2, it was capable of cutting through all metals and living beings, Face Mechon included (though its power depended on the will of it's wielder, such as when Shulk didn't cut Egil deep enough because he didn't want to kill him); and as the Monado 3, it cuts through anything, even the original Monado... and the other Monado... and the god holding both of them... in a single strike. Even with the Artifices, I don't know if they provide enough of an advantage for Rex.
However, Shulk can't trigger them manually. Watch Queue Queue I'm assuming in this battle Rex would have Pyra and Mythra since it's how he fights so he'd have access to Ophion, Siren and Aion (depending on when this theoretical fight would happen in a timeline lol). That's why their vision powers are equal. Shulk can see much farther into the future. Word of God (author's word) means that Jin is undeniably light speed no matter how much anyone would like to think that he isn't. Idk if Shulk has more training than Rex or not, but I’ll assume he does since he’s older. I still think Rex could win though. One waifu < two waifus, By that logic, Shulks waifu may be considered part of Rex’s harem at this point. Do you think rex would still win if the monados could cut eachother and shulk can reality warp? Rex's advantages are actually mastering his end-game weapon, more weapon versatility, Nia's ability to give people turbo cancer, and access to Siren, which doesn't even have to descend onto the field, it can just shoot it's lasers from space. While I don't know of any big strength feats for either character since they're holding their swords 90% of the time, Rex's blade has been stopped by many things, mostly other Blades; meanwhile, the Monado has incredible cutting power. The only one immune to Shulk's wrath is Siren, since they fly out of reach. Not saying shulk will win but what do you think would happen. The True Monado can kill Gods, which is impressive, but Pneuma can alter reality according to her (and Rex's wishes), which is equally as impressive. The only reason it didn't kill Malos is because he's immortal.
Not like it matters, since Pneuma can just create another one (it's established that Blades can create new weapons from their cores). and with Monado speed he should be able to hold Rex off for longer than Rex did Jin, but in the end, the Aegis is just gonna cut through him repeatedly, as he cant block forever and trying to retreat will result in him getting diced before he can move since if he stops blocking for even a second it’ll be over. Aside from the Aegis, Rex has the Dual Scythes with Roc and the Catalyst Scimitar with Nia (Rex canonically uses these so it's fair game). I've thought about it multiple times and every time always leads me to the same conclusion: Rex beats Shulk. In fact, i'd argue that Rex is the most powerful protagonist in the Xeno series, though i have yet to finish the Xenosaga trilogy so i'm not 100% sure yet. A lot of these counters and abilities that Shulk has are invalidated by Rex's speedblitzing alone. Shulk only has the Monado.
So everything else being equal, Rex simply has more firepower at his disposal. You're right that his only advantage is speed and Shulk has power but... what about the Artifices? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the Xenoblade_Chronicles community, Continue browsing in r/Xenoblade_Chronicles. Maybe if the Siren(s) distracted Shulk enough that Rex could get a hit in, since Shulk is pretty fragile, but you have to remember that the Monado isn't limited to JUST Mechon. I don't blame you for leaving some of XC2's feats and power out since you said it's been a while, but yeah. Shulk’s vision shows him the future, but Rex’s vision allows him to see it very closely from his perspective, so in the scenario of blades swinging, Rex’s is more effective (for big attacks like infinity blade, though, shulk would have an easier time, i think). Stover46 posted... Water124 posted... Rex meets the guy who indirectly killed his two girlfriends Not really, they came back as separate people so now he gets a harem Imagine the damage that would do to Shulk, someone who was felled by a single ether bullet and nearly collapsed after holding back Dickson's attack for a couple of seconds. It's like Jesus feeding the crowd of 5000 with 5 bread loaves and 2 fish, but if Jesus was distributing waifus.